In 10-20 years the numbers of brits in spain will have diminished considerably.

Latest poll...

"Almost half of voters - including one in five Leavers - believe there should be another Brexit referendum in the next decade, a new poll has found."

Half of voters want second Brexit referendum in next decade

YouGov poll, conducted between Aug 8 and 9, also suggests that almost half of people believe Brexit ‘is not done’

www.telegraph.co.uk

Brexit WILL be reversed, it is clear!

To the OP, start campaigning, maybe it can happen in your 8 year timeliness!

 

Latest poll...

"Almost half of voters - including one in five Leavers - believe there should be another Brexit referendum in the next decade, a new poll has found."

Half of voters want second Brexit referendum in next decade

YouGov poll, conducted between Aug 8 and 9, also suggests that almost half of people believe Brexit ‘is not done’

www.telegraph.co.uk

Brexit WILL be reversed, it is clear!

You are only considering half the equation, even if the British a referendum to re the EU, will the EU want them back?

 

You are only considering half the equation, even if the British a referendum to re the EU, will the EU want them back?

Down to mindset Tim!

I imagine what is possible in life, and try to achieve it.

However, the glass half empty brigade imagine what is not possible and tell you why you can't achieve it...

Seems you belong to the latter camp.

Flip your thinking, it will give you a more positive outlook on life and improve your overall well-being.

 

Down to mindset my friend Tim!

I imagine what is possible in life, and try to achieve it.

However, the glass half empty brigade imagine what is not possible and tell you what is not possible...

Seems you belong to the latter camp.

Flip your thinking, it will give you a more positive outlook on life and improve your overall well-being.

It has nothing to do with mindset, it has everything to do with reality. Britain filed for a divorce from Europe. The way it was handled by your compatriot Boris, it ended up to be a messy divorce. Europe may very well decide that there are more attractive partners than the Brits.

 

It has nothing to do with mindset, it has everything to do with reality. Britain filed for a divorce from Europe. The way it was handled by your compatriot Boris, it ended up to be a messy divorce. Europe may very well decide that there are more attractive partners than the Brits.

Every country that is asking to the EU at the moment is doing so with the hope they will get money, none have much if anything to give but lots to take, The EU will drag on dying a slow death for years and years in my view.

 

Incave

It's very interesting too read everyone's comments. It's a shame you can't "tag response" in this forum as that would be great in of myself responding to various points and thoughts everyone has brought forward.

I just keep thinking that immigrating to spain in somewhat the same framework as immigrating to Australia ( which I was very close to doing prior too meeting my husband )... there just has to be a way surely. Unlike Boris our family just wants to be part of the Spanish culture and really build a life and future out there for our little daughter.

I do hope that we have a brexit referendum within the next fews years cause as far as I know I don't feel as if the UK has really thrived since leaving. But yes, trying to stay positive as one member put it but I guess the reality of is is that I am going to have to do a lof of research and see if this is even attainable ( which from the bottom of our hearts we do hope it is)

I can never see the UK having another referendum in at least 40 years, as the saying goes it's a once in a generation vote for the UK, unless it's Scotland then they keep voting until they get the right answer. joking btw
I think it's always nice to ask if they can remain, meet the required standard for that country. I tend to find those that moan about this, know in thier heart that any country in the world would not except them and had they not got a British port probably they would fail thier own countries immigration.
I suspect over time the standard of British moving to the EU will only increase and this can only be a good thing in my view. by the way most young Brits go to Australia (no free movement btw) for work and opportunities than all the EU 27 countries put together and that was when the UK was in the EU.

 

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In principle it is the same - if a country has a need for people with a specific skill and ability, and you have that skill and ability, you are welcome to come. The difference is, Australia is growing and needs all kinds of people; Spain is rather moribund. Given your backgrounds it would likely be much, much easier to move to Australia than to Spain.

Most Brits did even when the UK was in the EU. A little fact many did not know, The EU has never been as important to the UK in reference to finding a new country to live and work.
Free movement is always there for those willing to work and meet the standard and requirements of the country they wish to live, All that happened when the UK was in the EU is Brits could go to Spain with a caravan in tow and bring all there problems and failures to Spain and the Spanish could do nothing about it.

 

The EU will drag on dying a slow death for years and years in my view.

It is the British Empire that is dying a slow death...!

However flawed, the EU is expanding!

As to reing the EU, the pro leave voters were older and will be gone in increasing numbers and replaced by younger wiser pro EU voters, with the age of time. How dare the older voters, who have mainly lived their lives, deny younger people enjoy the four freedoms, that came with being part of the EU.

 

The British Empire died decades ago, The EU is dying a slow death, the only countries that want to , do so in the hope of getting money and the young want it, so they can get out because they would not reach any immigration standard and many young people just want an easy route and believe the miss-information free movement is the only way.

 

Terrible post and full of miss-information.
Before Brexit more young people went to Australia for work and opportunities than all the EU 27 countries put together. Australia is outside the EU,, no one in the UK is imprisoned due to leaving the EU.
The only limitation now free (unchecked) movement is gone is you have to reach the standard that the country rightfully asks for and allow them to check you out.
I'm guessing you are anti British so having a Spanish port for you and your family is the best thing to do, (Don't forget to hand your UK port back as required by having Spanish port) and don't forget to tell your son his opportunity to work and live in the UK will have some restrictions that also may effect him throughout the commonwealth too.
It's true very few people will have the chance to work as a toilet cleaner and such like in Spain from the UK I agree or just turn up and pitch a caravan on some land and stay as long as they like, But as someone who respects Spain and it's people do they really need that type of people coming? Is it not good for Spain to set requirements for the benefit of the Spain and the Spanish people?
Over all and in time the only Brits you will see coming and living in Spain will be smart intelligent young people and self sufficient older people who both will be zero burden on the state and will to meet all the requirements asked of that country.
The standard is only going to go up, less untaxed Brit cars, less caravans on land, less people who I suspect if it was not due to the fact they had a British port would not an immigration in thier own country or any other country in the world.

 

More young British people go to Australia rather all the EU 27 put together and that was before Brexit.

There are three reasons for that:
1. English language. This is a big one, given the average Briton's reluctance and inability to master another language, evidenced in a steep decline in the number of MFL GCSE and A level qualifications being taken.
2. Australia offers working holiday visa valid 12 months, with few questions asked. This can be extended by another year or two years, under certain conditions (mainly to be in an eligible occupation for a certain length of time).
3. Until recent immigration rule changes, it was possible to apply to live in Australia if you had skills in shortage occupation. It's more difficult now as they cut the number of in-demand skills. Plus a large British expat population of extended families (much larger than the whole of EU) providing help and .

 

There are three reasons for that:
1. English language. This is a big one, given the average Briton's reluctance and inability to master another language, evidenced in a steep decline in the number of MFL GCSE and A level qualifications being taken.
2. Australia offers working holiday visa valid 12 months, with few questions asked. This can be extended by another year or two years, under certain conditions (mainly to be in an eligible occupation for a certain length of time).
3. Until recent immigration rule changes, it was possible to apply to live in Australia if you had skills in shortage occupation. It's more difficult now as they cut the number of in-demand skills. Plus a large British expat population of extended families (much larger than the whole of EU) providing help and .

All without free movement and as stated more attractive than all EU27 put together, then and now.

 

There are three reasons for that:
1. English language. This is a big one, given the average Briton's reluctance and inability to master another language, evidenced in a steep decline in the number of MFL GCSE and A level qualifications being taken.
2. Australia offers working holiday visa valid 12 months, with few questions asked. This can be extended by another year or two years, under certain conditions (mainly to be in an eligible occupation for a certain length of time).
3. Until recent immigration rule changes, it was possible to apply to live in Australia if you had skills in shortage occupation. It's more difficult now as they cut the number of in-demand skills. Plus a large British expat population of extended families (much larger than the whole of EU) providing help and .

1. Im not a big fan of the lazy Brit not bothering to learn another language. What one of the 100 or so would you suggest then???
Unfortunately (for Brits that is)the other countries in this world have always put English as a second language high up as a qualification, so its almost impossible to pick another language at 13 (French) if you then decide to move to a different country at 18.(). What a waste of an education. I can just about make myself understood in French, German and Spanish. But when I was working all of these people wanted to practice their English, so I rarely spoke German even when in .
2. Until recently the one year work/travel visa was only for those under 25, its now 30 something. It still costs $635 AU for the one year and the second one is the same again. When my daughter went in 2015 she had to work for 90 days in an industry that would give her a credit to get the second visa.. So nothing like FOM where you can just upsticks.. And a full visa application in Aus ranges from $4,900 for the worker visa.. So not peanuts and its not refundable if you fail.
3. The immigration to Aus has alway required a points based system (actually so did the Uk one), however if you were in an occupation that was scarce then doors would be opened by being invited by the company, so again like a work visa for the EU. These days thats not that common for people to be invited.. Oh and it got rid of the retirement visa a couple of years ago to stop old people flocking there..

I agree with your points but with conditions.
And to be honest why wouldn't a country want 'the best of the best' to come and work and live.
Its always seemed to me that with the EU its a race to the bottom.
The rich countries want cheap labour and will stop at nothing to ensure they get it (that why they keep adding low paid countries who need money for roads etc to the EU gang).
And why is it that three of the richest countries in Europe are not ? Oh thats right the Euro, loosing control of your interest rates, and the fees for being a member.

I still cannot get over why the Uk didnt want a Norway style deal for Brexit.
It could have easily set financial requirements, a private healthcare scheme for the first year of residency etc.

Not that Im having a dig here, but Spain is the tenth poorest country in the EU and all the others are Eastern European countries except for Greece..So really Spain is the poor mans choice of country (was ours too as I couldnt even afford to go back to the Uk if I wanted too)

 

The same happened to me, I spent my first 4 years of life in , my father was a German speaker, I learned German, then in my 20's I went to and did not like it. Then fell in love with and had to start again.

 

Yet another brit basher who has the nerve to call benidorm but has never really explored the city as a whole. Probably thinks brit Square covers every street!!

Steve

Hit a nerve with those who live there Go have a Pint and Sunday roast , try slagging off where I live, You don't know me so I will not take it personal or even care. who knows it might be true 🇨🇵.

 

Let's keep the personal insults out of it shall we?

I'd hate to have to ban .

 

Hm, on that very same page that you quote from -Visa, there is a drop down labeled "In which cases is a long stay authorised without a visa?" and if you click on that you get this:

Citizens of the European Union, European Economic Area, Switzerland, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, and the Vatican may stay in the European territory of without a visa for longer than 90 days.

 

Provided they apply for French residency

They don't need a visa, but that does not mean they don't have a limit of 90 days. I never said the UK was the same in ref to visa and port stamps, I just said they both have a limit of 90 days in a country they do not live in so I was correct that all EU citizens have a 90 day limit, the fact that the EU citizen has a automatic right to stay providing they to become resident, were a UK citizen/third country this request is not automatic is a different issue.

 

Let's keep the personal insults out of it shall we?

I'd hate to have to ban .

Here here I hope I can not be banned for saying I don't like Benidorm, Blackpool? It's not my fault if some people take it personal. I have even offered for people to slag off where I live, Maybe I will learn something

 

When my husband and I moved to Spain 17 years ago, not intending to work, we would not have met the present day requirements for a non lucrative visa (although we would now if we had to apply for one). So we would be lazily stereotyped as riff raff lowering the tone, I suppose. wm's posts could be written word for word by Basil Fawlty, complete with references to "the wife" for heaven's sake. Considering the Leave voters were said to have wanted to stick it to the "elites" it's amusing to see somebody openly celebrating the fact that now less well off people have no chance of moving to another country where their pensions would go further or where they could earn a better living by doing jobs that another country finds it hard to fill. Personally I'd like to see other people being able to have the opportunities I had, not pulling up the ladder behind me.

However, loss of FOM is not my main regret about Brexit - and I do not think the UK will re in my lifetime, none of the opt-outs and rebates the UK previously took advantage of would be on offer and they would have to the Euro (and wouldn't currently meet the tests for doing so, nor do I think it would be politically acceptable to do so). That is one of the reasons I was so strongly in favour of remain, because it was obvious that if the UK left that would be it, no chance of saying we've changed our minds, we want to re. And many people seem to think that's all there would be to it, ignoring the fact that every EU member state would have to consent to it.

What really saddens me is the sheer cost and enormous waste due to Brexit, and for what? The 35.6 billion cost of the financial settlement with the EU, with payments due to be made until 2065. And no EU funding coming back into the UK to offset that, especially into disadvantaged regions, unlike when the UK was paying hip contributions. Look at how much Spain has benefited from the EU Covid Recovery Fund - the UK gets nothing. 466m spent on having new customs inspection sites built which have been standing empty and unused because the UK Government dare not implement the checks they signed up to in the Withdrawal Agreement - Jacob Rees Mogg itted when the latest postponement was introduced that it was because of the extra costs they would impose on business and there is also their fear that the extra checks would lead to more gaps on UK supermarket shelves. 116.8 milliion spent on a Festival of Brexit finally held in 2022 which was a big flop. All the work done on planning for the introduction of a UKCA certificate of conformity to replace the EU one, scrapped just recently as business never wanted it anyway. The Office for Budget responsibility's own assessment says that the new trade deals reached with non EU countries will not have any overall beneficial effect for the UK - indeed British farmers are particularly unhappy about the one with Australia. Much was made during the referendum about the advantages leaving would have for the British fishing industry. Have they materialised? Not according to representatives of the industry. Has immigration (which was a major reason for many people to vote to Leave) gone down since Brexit? Quite the opposite. Between 2014 and 2016 Border Force detected just NINE small boats with asylum seekers on board arriving in the UK. They have just ed the 100,000 mark of people arriving by this route this year and we're only 8 months into it.

The title of this thread includes Brexit benefits. What are they?

All this money could have been better spent building more social housing to alleviate the housing crisis, more money to help cut NHS waiting lists and struggling schools (I met a friend last week who teaches year 4 in a UK primary school, she will have 40 pupils in her class next year, 4 children with severe special needs and only one TA as all the others have been made redundant). And this is not because the number of children enrolled has increased, by the way, but because teachers have left or retired and the school can't afford to replace them, so classes have had to be amalgamated.

 

I think it proves that voting remain was a purely selfish reason, No mention of corruption in the EU, lack of democracy, I liken it to someone voting for the nazi party who was doing well out of the system or who had something to gain and could not be bothered about if it affected others, Its also nice and polite and shows respect to any country to want to move and live in, The fact that someone would prefer to deny Spain a chance to check them out or ask them to reach a national standard which would be an advantage to Spain is showing that they really don't care about the country they wish to move too, it's all about them wanting to get in no questions asked and zero right for them to say no.
I love the country I now live in ie and any chance I have to vote for that country to check all that come in is something I would vote for, if thier requirements are hard to meet by Brits, then work harder and respect that has a right to expect more for those who come to work and live.

 

So in Spain you are guilty of over staying until your prove you are not, The remnants of a fascist state.

Rubbish go to most countries and overstay. The Onus is on you to prove that you have complied.

Example.....
I get stopped by the Police in after being there six months, they look at my licence and TIE and ask "You are a Spanish resident no. How long have you been in ?"
Nothing Facist there, just a question asking me to show how long Ive been there...
"ah more than 90 days Monsieur you have overstayed, we will now impound you car and send you home, unless YOU CAN PROVE OTHERWISE"..........


Not just Spain but German has the same requirement and Oooo it seems you need to in as well. Now thats a surprise.... not..

Fact sheet: residence permit for - Welcome to

Read all the important information about Fact sheet: residence permit thanks to Welcome to numerous sheets dedicated to foreign talents wishing to settle in

www.welcometo.com

Ask your foreign neighbours if they have ed??

But like everywhere else, YOU have to apply its not automatic...


Anyway this conversation aint buttering no parsnips as they say.... Not me Im uneducated and never saw a parsnip at home in our cardboard box till I was 18.

The Uk will in my view even if there is another referendum not go back into the EU... Well not in my lifetime I dont think (I reckon Ive got 25 years) and by then who knows? The UK could have an empire again, albeit a different type of one..
Going off the rails here slightly but Nostradamus in one of his writings suggested at some time there would be a United States of Great Britain and would include some european countries... You never know eh????

Im going to state this firstly be saying I voted remain.... but even I can see the wood from the trees.

Firstly I doubt even now that remain could sell the dream.....You may be able to polish a turd... but come on....Someone said nearly half of the voting populace wanted to end Brexit. That sounds just like more than dont.... 52-48 sound familiar... However you cut that cake it still seems the same as before.. Now 60-40 and I might take them seriously..

Second, the EU wont have the Uk back until its the apple at the bottom of the barrel. I reckon Russia and Turkey will be in before the Uk.

Third, again the EU dont want the Uk, in all the years it was in, there were vetoes, back chat, sniping etc on both sides. And how dare a country actually think about leaving.......

Fourth, the world is slowly moving away from Globalisation back towards the Im ok Jack mentality and a block of countries with no common theme (different cultures, history, language) are going to find it hard to agree on stuff as the years and numbers increase. Id expect an Eastern European block to form in the next 15 years.

Sixth, The Euro and it stranglehold on domestic inflation, Ive never understood how my Euro can be worth the same as one in Holland. Mine is not worth as much and buys less if I am there, the opposite is also true. Not a very good advert for harmony is it?. is at the moment in recession, its inflation is over 6.5%. It needs to control this but cannot change the interest rate. At some point this may well tank. The Uk has an inflation rate of 6.8% as of right this minute (21.50 16/8/23)

Seventh and final. Where is the EU border going to finally end???? Will they try to dominate the whole of the European, African, Asian parts of the world?? After all its one land mss.....and the best border at the end of the day is one that doesn't border anything.
Was the term Im looking for "A Ring of Steel" maybe? The a coastal one would be the best......

Oh you just realised I missed the 5th one.... nope just checking.....

Have a nice evening....My birthday is nearly over and I think I may have won a cylinder record player... Go Me.....

 

Rubbish go to most countries and overstay. The Onus is on you to prove that you have complied.

Example.....
I get stopped by the Police in after being there six months, they look at my licence and TIE and ask "You are a Spanish resident no. How long have you been in ?"
Nothing Facist there, just a question asking me to show how long Ive been there...
"ah more than 90 days Monsieur you have overstayed, we will now impound you car and send you home, unless YOU CAN PROVE OTHERWISE"..........


Not just Spain but German has the same requirement and Oooo it seems you need to in as well. Now thats a surprise.... not..

Fact sheet: residence permit for - Welcome to

Read all the important information about Fact sheet: residence permit thanks to Welcome to numerous sheets dedicated to foreign talents wishing to settle in

www.welcometo.com

Ask your foreign neighbours if they have ed??

But like everywhere else, YOU have to apply its not automatic...


Anyway this conversation aint buttering no parsnips as they say.... Not me Im uneducated and never saw a parsnip at home in our cardboard box till I was 18.

The Uk will in my view even if there is another referendum not go back into the EU... Well not in my lifetime I dont think (I reckon Ive got 25 years) and by then who knows? The UK could have an empire again, albeit a different type of one..
Going off the rails here slightly but Nostradamus in one of his writings suggested at some time there would be a United States of Great Britain and would include some european countries... You never know eh????

Im going to state this firstly be saying I voted remain.... but even I can see the wood from the trees.

Firstly I doubt even now that remain could sell the dream.....You may be able to polish a turd... but come on....Someone said nearly half of the voting populace wanted to end Brexit. That sounds just like more than dont.... 52-48 sound familiar... However you cut that cake it still seems the same as before.. Now 60-40 and I might take them seriously..

Second, the EU wont have the Uk back until its the apple at the bottom of the barrel. I reckon Russia and Turkey will be in before the Uk.

Third, again the EU dont want the Uk, in all the years it was in, there were vetoes, back chat, sniping etc on both sides. And how dare a country actually think about leaving.......

Fourth, the world is slowly moving away from Globalisation back towards the Im ok Jack mentality and a block of countries with no common theme (different cultures, history, language) are going to find it hard to agree on stuff as the years and numbers increase. Id expect an Eastern European block to form in the next 15 years.

Sixth, The Euro and it stranglehold on domestic inflation, Ive never understood how my Euro can be worth the same as one in Holland. Mine is not worth as much and buys less if I am there, the opposite is also true. Not a very good advert for harmony is it?. is at the moment in recession, its inflation is over 6.5%. It needs to control this but cannot change the interest rate. At some point this may well tank. The Uk has an inflation rate of 6.8% as of right this minute (21.50 16/8/23)

Seventh and final. Where is the EU border going to finally end???? Will they try to dominate the whole of the European, African, Asian parts of the world?? After all its one land mss.....and the best border at the end of the day is one that doesn't border anything.
Was the term Im looking for "A Ring of Steel" maybe? The a coastal one would be the best......

Oh you just realised I missed the 5th one.... nope just checking.....

Have a nice evening....My birthday is nearly over and I think I may have won a cylinder record player... Go Me.....

You are like the kid at school who when ask to go to the heasters office, walks in and said it wasn't me who stole from the gym sir on Thursday night and I did not beat up little John last Wednesday at 4:00 pm then the heaster then tells you you are only there to pick up an award for good behaviour .
The police can ask you hundreds of questions, it's up to you if you want to answer them. If I was stopped in Spain after speeding 4 months there (without claiming anything, having plenty of money driving around in my camping car, maybe spending a day Portugal etc) zero burden on the state and the police asked me at the road side I would shrug my shoulders and either say I don't know or not sure, it would be up to them to prove otherwise and the fact I don't have a port stamp and have free movement as a French resident with a French reg camping car, I can tell you now, at the road side they would walk away, but to be fair, they would not ask in the first place, because the police are not stupid, they ask question in the hope they find guys like you, then walk when they find guys like me.
I'm guess when you come to you have a breathalyze in you car? it the law btw, but there is no fine or punishment if you don't and guess what the police never ask if you have one, because what is the point.