The real effects of Brexit are now hitting home for so many people. One of the worst things is that the UK is a highly populated country and young people are now effectively imprisoned in it. Opportunities to escape and work in Europe are considerably limited. All my family have EU ports now and I intend to get a Spanish one in a few years. At least my son will have Opportunities to live and work in the EU which is something I am really grateful for. I am in uk visiting at moment and have seen these programs about Brits in Spain and of course you realize that this particular cohort will be probably the last to able to do this. Very few young people will be able to move due to work regulations and the UK state pension is not sufficient for the NLV. In 10-20 years the numbers of brits in spain will have diminished considerably. Even buying a second property will be limiting as so many bought for retirement that probably won't happen. The problem for those people in old age still in spain will increase as less communal and company will exist ( unless you are well intergrated). All in all it is hard to find one single good thing about Brexit.
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So in Spain you are guilty of over staying until your prove you are not, The remnants of a fascist state.The rules for all countries within the Eu are that it is on you to actually inform about overstaying the 90 days.
And if stopped and questioned it will assumed that you are in the wrong until you prove you havent been here for more than 90 days.
From EU itselfEUR-Lex - 02004L0038-20110616 - EN - EUR-Lex
eur-lex.europa.eu
I point to to article 8
Article 8
istrative formalities for Union citizens
1. Without prejudice to Article 5(5), for periods of residence longer than three months, the host Member State may require Union citizens to with the relevant authorities.
2. The deadline for registration may not be less than three months from the date of arrival. A registration certificate shall be issued immediately, stating the name and address of the person ing and the date of the registration. Failure to comply with the registration requirement may render the person concerned liable to proportionate and non-discriminatory sanctions.
Spains rules are that you MUST sign on to the foreigners , not that you can or not but MUST.
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Rubbish go to most countries and overstay. The Onus is on you to prove that you have complied.
Example.....
I get stopped by the Police in after being there six months, they look at my licence and TIE and ask "You are a Spanish resident no. How long have you been in ?"
Nothing Facist there, just a question asking me to show how long Ive been there...
"ah more than 90 days Monsieur you have overstayed, we will now impound you car and send you home, unless YOU CAN PROVE OTHERWISE"..........
Not just Spain but German has the same requirement and Oooo it seems you need to in as well. Now thats a surprise.... not..
Fact sheet: residence permit for - Welcome to
Read all the important information about Fact sheet: residence permit thanks to Welcome to numerous sheets dedicated to foreign talents wishing to settle in
www.welcometo.com
Ask your foreign neighbours if they have ed??
But like everywhere else, YOU have to apply its not automatic...
Anyway this conversation aint buttering no parsnips as they say.... Not me Im uneducated and never saw a parsnip at home in our cardboard box till I was 18.
The Uk will in my view even if there is another referendum not go back into the EU... Well not in my lifetime I dont think (I reckon Ive got 25 years) and by then who knows? The UK could have an empire again, albeit a different type of one..
Going off the rails here slightly but Nostradamus in one of his writings suggested at some time there would be a United States of Great Britain and would include some european countries... You never know eh????
Im going to state this firstly be saying I voted remain.... but even I can see the wood from the trees.
Firstly I doubt even now that remain could sell the dream.....You may be able to polish a turd... but come on....Someone said nearly half of the voting populace wanted to end Brexit. That sounds just like more than dont.... 52-48 sound familiar... However you cut that cake it still seems the same as before.. Now 60-40 and I might take them seriously..
Second, the EU wont have the Uk back until its the apple at the bottom of the barrel. I reckon Russia and Turkey will be in before the Uk.
Third, again the EU dont want the Uk, in all the years it was in, there were vetoes, back chat, sniping etc on both sides. And how dare a country actually think about leaving.......
Fourth, the world is slowly moving away from Globalisation back towards the Im ok Jack mentality and a block of countries with no common theme (different cultures, history, language) are going to find it hard to agree on stuff as the years and numbers increase. Id expect an Eastern European block to form in the next 15 years.
Sixth, The Euro and it stranglehold on domestic inflation, Ive never understood how my Euro can be worth the same as one in Holland. Mine is not worth as much and buys less if I am there, the opposite is also true. Not a very good advert for harmony is it?. is at the moment in recession, its inflation is over 6.5%. It needs to control this but cannot change the interest rate. At some point this may well tank. The Uk has an inflation rate of 6.8% as of right this minute (21.50 16/8/23)
Seventh and final. Where is the EU border going to finally end???? Will they try to dominate the whole of the European, African, Asian parts of the world?? After all its one land mss.....and the best border at the end of the day is one that doesn't border anything.
Was the term Im looking for "A Ring of Steel" maybe? The a coastal one would be the best......
Oh you just realised I missed the 5th one.... nope just checking.....
Have a nice evening....My birthday is nearly over and I think I may have won a cylinder record player... Go Me.....
The rules for all countries within the Eu are that it is on you to actually inform about overstaying the 90 days.
And if stopped and questioned it will assumed that you are in the wrong until you prove you havent been here for more than 90 days.
From EU itselfEUR-Lex - 02004L0038-20110616 - EN - EUR-Lex
I point to to article 8
Article 8
istrative formalities for Union citizens
1. Without prejudice to Article 5(5), for periods of residence longer than three months, the host Member State may require Union citizens to with the relevant authorities.
2. The deadline for registration may not be less than three months from the date of arrival. A registration certificate shall be issued immediately, stating the name and address of the person ing and the date of the registration. Failure to comply with the registration requirement may render the person concerned liable to proportionate and non-discriminatory sanctions.
Spains rules are that you MUST sign on to the foreigners , not that you can or not but MUST.
Not the way you said it!!, There is a difference between a police man asking if you have over stayed or asking you if you have been speeding (they do that in the hope you incriminate your self) and the way you said it ie you are "guilty" of over staying and have to prove your innocents.Rubbish go to most countries and overstay. The Onus is on you to prove that you have complied.
Example.....
I get stopped by the Police in after being there six months, they look at my licence and TIE and ask "You are a Spanish resident no. How long have you been in ?"
Nothing Facist there, just a question asking me to show how long Ive been there...
"ah more than 90 days Monsieur you have overstayed, we will now impound you car and send you home, unless YOU CAN PROVE OTHERWISE"..........
Not just Spain but German has the same requirement and Oooo it seems you need to in as well. Now thats a surprise.... not..
Fact sheet: residence permit for - Welcome to
Read all the important information about Fact sheet: residence permit thanks to Welcome to numerous sheets dedicated to foreign talents wishing to settle in
Ask your foreign neighbours if they have ed??
But like everywhere else, YOU have to apply its not automatic...
Anyway this conversation aint buttering no parsnips as they say.... Not me Im uneducated and never saw a parsnip at home in our cardboard box till I was 18.
The Uk will in my view even if there is another referendum not go back into the EU... Well not in my lifetime I dont think (I reckon Ive got 25 years) and by then who knows? The UK could have an empire again, albeit a different type of one..
Going off the rails here slightly but Nostradamus in one of his writings suggested at some time there would be a United States of Great Britain and would include some european countries... You never know eh????
Im going to state this firstly be saying I voted remain.... but even I can see the wood from the trees.
Firstly I doubt even now that remain could sell the dream.....You may be able to polish a turd... but come on....Someone said nearly half of the voting populace wanted to end Brexit. That sounds just like more than dont.... 52-48 sound familiar... However you cut that cake it still seems the same as before.. Now 60-40 and I might take them seriously..
Second, the EU wont have the Uk back until its the apple at the bottom of the barrel. I reckon Russia and Turkey will be in before the Uk.
Third, again the EU dont want the Uk, in all the years it was in, there were vetoes, back chat, sniping etc on both sides. And how dare a country actually think about leaving.......
Fourth, the world is slowly moving away from Globalisation back towards the Im ok Jack mentality and a block of countries with no common theme (different cultures, history, language) are going to find it hard to agree on stuff as the years and numbers increase. Id expect an Eastern European block to form in the next 15 years.
Sixth, The Euro and it stranglehold on domestic inflation, Ive never understood how my Euro can be worth the same as one in Holland. Mine is not worth as much and buys less if I am there, the opposite is also true. Not a very good advert for harmony is it?. is at the moment in recession, its inflation is over 6.5%. It needs to control this but cannot change the interest rate. At some point this may well tank. The Uk has an inflation rate of 6.8% as of right this minute (21.50 16/8/23)
Seventh and final. Where is the EU border going to finally end???? Will they try to dominate the whole of the European, African, Asian parts of the world?? After all its one land mss.....and the best border at the end of the day is one that doesn't border anything.
Was the term Im looking for "A Ring of Steel" maybe? The a coastal one would be the best......
Oh you just realised I missed the 5th one.... nope just checking.....
Have a nice evening....My birthday is nearly over and I think I may have won a cylinder record player... Go Me.....
I'm guessing you don't do legal or understand it
You are like the kid at school who when ask to go to the heasters office, walks in and said it wasn't me who stole from the gym sir on Thursday night and I did not beat up little John last Wednesday at 4:00 pm then the heaster then tells you you are only there to pick up an award for good behaviourRubbish go to most countries and overstay. The Onus is on you to prove that you have complied.
Example.....
I get stopped by the Police in after being there six months, they look at my licence and TIE and ask "You are a Spanish resident no. How long have you been in ?"
Nothing Facist there, just a question asking me to show how long Ive been there...
"ah more than 90 days Monsieur you have overstayed, we will now impound you car and send you home, unless YOU CAN PROVE OTHERWISE"..........
Not just Spain but German has the same requirement and Oooo it seems you need to in as well. Now thats a surprise.... not..
Fact sheet: residence permit for - Welcome to
Read all the important information about Fact sheet: residence permit thanks to Welcome to numerous sheets dedicated to foreign talents wishing to settle in
Ask your foreign neighbours if they have ed??
But like everywhere else, YOU have to apply its not automatic...
Anyway this conversation aint buttering no parsnips as they say.... Not me Im uneducated and never saw a parsnip at home in our cardboard box till I was 18.
The Uk will in my view even if there is another referendum not go back into the EU... Well not in my lifetime I dont think (I reckon Ive got 25 years) and by then who knows? The UK could have an empire again, albeit a different type of one..
Going off the rails here slightly but Nostradamus in one of his writings suggested at some time there would be a United States of Great Britain and would include some european countries... You never know eh????
Im going to state this firstly be saying I voted remain.... but even I can see the wood from the trees.
Firstly I doubt even now that remain could sell the dream.....You may be able to polish a turd... but come on....Someone said nearly half of the voting populace wanted to end Brexit. That sounds just like more than dont.... 52-48 sound familiar... However you cut that cake it still seems the same as before.. Now 60-40 and I might take them seriously..
Second, the EU wont have the Uk back until its the apple at the bottom of the barrel. I reckon Russia and Turkey will be in before the Uk.
Third, again the EU dont want the Uk, in all the years it was in, there were vetoes, back chat, sniping etc on both sides. And how dare a country actually think about leaving.......
Fourth, the world is slowly moving away from Globalisation back towards the Im ok Jack mentality and a block of countries with no common theme (different cultures, history, language) are going to find it hard to agree on stuff as the years and numbers increase. Id expect an Eastern European block to form in the next 15 years.
Sixth, The Euro and it stranglehold on domestic inflation, Ive never understood how my Euro can be worth the same as one in Holland. Mine is not worth as much and buys less if I am there, the opposite is also true. Not a very good advert for harmony is it?. is at the moment in recession, its inflation is over 6.5%. It needs to control this but cannot change the interest rate. At some point this may well tank. The Uk has an inflation rate of 6.8% as of right this minute (21.50 16/8/23)
Seventh and final. Where is the EU border going to finally end???? Will they try to dominate the whole of the European, African, Asian parts of the world?? After all its one land mss.....and the best border at the end of the day is one that doesn't border anything.
Was the term Im looking for "A Ring of Steel" maybe? The a coastal one would be the best......
Oh you just realised I missed the 5th one.... nope just checking.....
Have a nice evening....My birthday is nearly over and I think I may have won a cylinder record player... Go Me.....
.The police can ask you hundreds of questions, it's up to you if you want to answer them. If I was stopped in Spain after speeding 4 months there (without claiming anything, having plenty of money driving around in my camping car, maybe spending a day Portugal etc) zero burden on the state and the police asked me at the road side I would shrug my shoulders and either say I don't know or not sure, it would be up to them to prove otherwise and the fact I don't have a port stamp and have free movement as a French resident with a French reg camping car, I can tell you now, at the road side they would walk away, but to be fair, they would not ask in the first place, because the police are not stupid, they ask question in the hope they find guys like you, then walk when they find guys like me.
I'm guess when you come to you have a breathalyze in you car? it the law btw, but there is no fine or punishment if you don't and guess what the police never ask if you have one, because what is the point.
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