Brexit effects & will the UK re?

wrn said:

I have visited Benidorm and did not like it, I have ed it dozens of times the last time on the new free motorway, which I was happy to pay for to avoid the place in the past But we are all different so neither you or I are wrong on that subject it's a matter of choice.
The wife and I live in rural the nearest city over 80 Kms away and Paris or a place's like Benidorm well over 400km and 1000 Kms away and that suits me and the wife just fine. I'm not a big fan of Blackpool in England too but it seems to keep many people happy, each to thier own.
Having said that we do love Spain and the interior is beautiful (over the years we have traveled it all) ,different than be just as interesting in my view.
As I stated this is one of the negatives of free movement, people come and take the Micky, whether French or German and make there own ghettos with or without the local mayor's help. Spain and that area has a reputation for just that we both know that is a fact?
Little known fact with many Brits is all EU citizens have a 90 day limit in a country that is not where they live, but as with EU rules they are badly thought out and contradict each other, they can remain so long as they are not a burden on the state.
I also spent 100 days last winter in Spain in my French vehicle, but was moving around so did nothing but enjoy the winter sun

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tebo53 said:

Yet another brit basher who has the nerve to call benidorm but has never really explored the city as a whole. Probably thinks brit Square covers every street!!

Steve

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Citizens of the European Union, European Economic Area, Switzerland, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, and the Vatican may stay in the European territory of without a visa for longer than 90 days.

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xabiaxica said:

Let's keep the personal insults out of it shall we?

I'd hate to have to ban .

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Barriej said:

I am afraid you are wrong here.

Its a little known fact for the majority of EU citizens who think they have the right to just wander around spending as long as they like in other EU countries without any consequence.
And by staying more than 90 days you are considered to be a resident here...
The minimum you should have done was sign on the foreigners , and that just illustrates that no body seems to be aware of what the rules actually are.

If a Spaniard goes to he can legally only stay there for 90days as a tourist, he (or she or them) has then to go and apply for a long stay visa...
Thats the law of almost all EU countries. The Uk was different as it has always allowed 180 days as a tourist before requiring you to .
This is what require...

https://-visas.gouv.fr/en/web/-visas/long-stay-visa#:~:text=For%20any%20stay%20in%20,three%20months%20and%20one%20year

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The biggest issue here as usual is, that nobody tells anyone anything!!!!
I think even with FOM we should have informed the authorities in the country you are in and the one you wish to move to, so you can be advised about tax, car checks, etc.
But I doubt it will ever happen because if you are leaving then good riddance, someone else can tell you what you need to know.
After 2016 we were here on holiday and listened to a British couple who had lived here for around 10 years talking about how they didn't realise they needed to put in a tax return or do a 720 (overseas stuff)...They also were not resident and still had a Uk car and driving licences.
Guess what the Dutch bloke talking to them said that he hadn't bothered either and nor had other Dutch people he knew, but now because of Brexit the British couple had better sort themselves out...
I found out later they went back to the UK..

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wrn said:

Also sub section of EU law states providing you are not a burden on the state. This is the section that allows you to stay more than 90 days, other wise every French guy, Brit would be frog (no pun intended) matched across the border.

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Lynn R said:

When my husband and I moved to Spain 17 years ago, not intending to work, we would not have met the present day requirements for a non lucrative visa (although we would now if we had to apply for one). So we would be lazily stereotyped as riff raff lowering the tone, I suppose. wm's posts could be written word for word by Basil Fawlty, complete with references to "the wife" for heaven's sake. Considering the Leave voters were said to have wanted to stick it to the "elites" it's amusing to see somebody openly celebrating the fact that now less well off people have no chance of moving to another country where their pensions would go further or where they could earn a better living by doing jobs that another country finds it hard to fill. Personally I'd like to see other people being able to have the opportunities I had, not pulling up the ladder behind me.

However, loss of FOM is not my main regret about Brexit - and I do not think the UK will re in my lifetime, none of the opt-outs and rebates the UK previously took advantage of would be on offer and they would have to the Euro (and wouldn't currently meet the tests for doing so, nor do I think it would be politically acceptable to do so). That is one of the reasons I was so strongly in favour of remain, because it was obvious that if the UK left that would be it, no chance of saying we've changed our minds, we want to re. And many people seem to think that's all there would be to it, ignoring the fact that every EU member state would have to consent to it.

What really saddens me is the sheer cost and enormous waste due to Brexit, and for what? The 35.6 billion cost of the financial settlement with the EU, with payments due to be made until 2065. And no EU funding coming back into the UK to offset that, especially into disadvantaged regions, unlike when the UK was paying hip contributions. Look at how much Spain has benefited from the EU Covid Recovery Fund - the UK gets nothing. 466m spent on having new customs inspection sites built which have been standing empty and unused because the UK Government dare not implement the checks they signed up to in the Withdrawal Agreement - Jacob Rees Mogg itted when the latest postponement was introduced that it was because of the extra costs they would impose on business and there is also their fear that the extra checks would lead to more gaps on UK supermarket shelves. 116.8 milliion spent on a Festival of Brexit finally held in 2022 which was a big flop. All the work done on planning for the introduction of a UKCA certificate of conformity to replace the EU one, scrapped just recently as business never wanted it anyway. The Office for Budget responsibility's own assessment says that the new trade deals reached with non EU countries will not have any overall beneficial effect for the UK - indeed British farmers are particularly unhappy about the one with Australia. Much was made during the referendum about the advantages leaving would have for the British fishing industry. Have they materialised? Not according to representatives of the industry. Has immigration (which was a major reason for many people to vote to Leave) gone down since Brexit? Quite the opposite. Between 2014 and 2016 Border Force detected just NINE small boats with asylum seekers on board arriving in the UK. They have just ed the 100,000 mark of people arriving by this route this year and we're only 8 months into it.

The title of this thread includes Brexit benefits. What are they?

All this money could have been better spent building more social housing to alleviate the housing crisis, more money to help cut NHS waiting lists and struggling schools (I met a friend last week who teaches year 4 in a UK primary school, she will have 40 pupils in her class next year, 4 children with severe special needs and only one TA as all the others have been made redundant). And this is not because the number of children enrolled has increased, by the way, but because teachers have left or retired and the school can't afford to replace them, so classes have had to be amalgamated.

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Bevdeforges said:

Hm, on that very same page that you quote from -Visa, there is a drop down labeled "In which cases is a long stay authorised without a visa?" and if you click on that you get this:

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Bevdeforges said:

Hm, on that very same page that you quote from -Visa, there is a drop down labeled "In which cases is a long stay authorised without a visa?" and if you click on that you get this:

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Lynn R said:

When my husband and I moved to Spain 17 years ago, not intending to work, we would not have met the present day requirements for a non lucrative visa (although we would now if we had to apply for one). So we would be lazily stereotyped as riff raff lowering the tone, I suppose. wm's posts could be written word for word by Basil Fawlty, complete with references to "the wife" for heaven's sake. Considering the Leave voters were said to have wanted to stick it to the "elites" it's amusing to see somebody openly celebrating the fact that now less well off people have no chance of moving to another country where their pensions would go further or where they could earn a better living by doing jobs that another country finds it hard to fill. Personally I'd like to see other people being able to have the opportunities I had, not pulling up the ladder behind me.

However, loss of FOM is not my main regret about Brexit - and I do not think the UK will re in my lifetime, none of the opt-outs and rebates the UK previously took advantage of would be on offer and they would have to the Euro (and wouldn't currently meet the tests for doing so, nor do I think it would be politically acceptable to do so). That is one of the reasons I was so strongly in favour of remain, because it was obvious that if the UK left that would be it, no chance of saying we've changed our minds, we want to re. And many people seem to think that's all there would be to it, ignoring the fact that every EU member state would have to consent to it.

What really saddens me is the sheer cost and enormous waste due to Brexit, and for what? The 35.6 billion cost of the financial settlement with the EU, with payments due to be made until 2065. And no EU funding coming back into the UK to offset that, especially into disadvantaged regions, unlike when the UK was paying hip contributions. Look at how much Spain has benefited from the EU Covid Recovery Fund - the UK gets nothing. 466m spent on having new customs inspection sites built which have been standing empty and unused because the UK Government dare not implement the checks they signed up to in the Withdrawal Agreement - Jacob Rees Mogg itted when the latest postponement was introduced that it was because of the extra costs they would impose on business and there is also their fear that the extra checks would lead to more gaps on UK supermarket shelves. 116.8 milliion spent on a Festival of Brexit finally held in 2022 which was a big flop. All the work done on planning for the inYoutroduction of a UKCA certificate of conformity to replace the EU one, scrapped just recently as business never wanted it anyway. The Office for Budget responsibility's own assessment says that the new trade deals reached with non EU countries will not have any overall beneficial effect for the UK - indeed British farmers are particularly unhappy about the one with Australia. Much was made during the referendum about the advantages leaving would have for the British fishing industry. Have they materialised? Not according to representatives of the industry. Has immigration (which was a major reason for many people to vote to Leave) gone down since Brexit? Quite the opposite. Between 2014 and 2016 Border Force detected just NINE small boats with asylum seekers on board arriving in the UK. They have just ed the 100,000 mark of people arriving by this route this year and we're only 8 months into it.

The title of this thread includes Brexit benefits. What are they?

All this money could have been better spent building more social housing to alleviate the housing crisis, more money to help cut NHS waiting lists and struggling schools (I met a friend last week who teaches year 4 in a UK primary school, she will have 40 pupils in her class next year, 4 children with severe special needs and only one TA as all the others have been made redundant). And this is not because the number of children enrolled has increased, by the way, but because teachers have left or retired and the school can't afford to replace them, so classes have had to be amalgamated.

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wrn said:

I agree, But we all know that many French citizens, German citizens go to Spain during winter months and stay for more than 3 months many for 6 months. They are not braking any laws so long as they are not a burden on the state.
As for the UK problem many in Europe openly allow them to travel across the English channel we have an Belgium friend who joked when the UK left the EU that thier only worry was where do all the immigrants go now, she need not to worry as more are crossing then ever.

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wrn said:

That is true, I think Belgium was if I the top EU country that removes EU citizens for over staying, But they have to prove they are a burden or will be a burden to the state, Most of the time these people flag up because they try to claim some benefit or just happen to come to the attention of the police for what ever reason.
There is a sub section in the rules which states this, So because of this those French/German etc citizens that go to Spain, for longer than 90 days don't claim any benefits maybe have a holiday home, or camping car/caravan and have medical cover basically don't ask for anything. without a port stamp it near pointless or impossible to prove how long they have been in the country, in fact if you spend time in Portugal, then go across to Spain and so on it becomes ridiculous, I spend 100 days last year out of were I live, but 20 days of that was in Portugal, Did I break the law? I think not based on the rules. and even if I did can anyone prove what I said did not happen are they even interested because all I brought with me was my own money and medical cover from the country I'm resident in.

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xabiaxica said:

EU guidelines are trumped by national law.


When ing in Spain, an EU citizen has to prove that they have sufficient income (1xIPREM), & perhaps more importantly, that they have comprehensive healthcare insurance with no co-pay. Travel insurance doesn't count.

You would have broken Spanish law if more than 90 of those days consecutively had been spent in Spain. In fact if you're not an EU citizen, regardless of your residency in , legally you can only spend 90/180 in the Schengen region, not counting the country of legal residency, in your case .

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wrn said:

If you look at in one way, but over all not only is it unenforceable (due to open borders) it's in many cases hard to prove if that person claims nothing from that state or comments a crime, I would even go as far as to say even the tax time limit 6 months and over is again hard to prove. effectively it is free movement without time limits due to the current system and many technically over stay all the time, of course it's not right, but everyone knows it happens.

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